Ep. 871: Are Birds Actually Dinosaurs?

May 04, 2026

Description

Steven Rinella talks with paleontologist, evoutionary biologist, and author, Steve Brusatte. Topics discussed: The Story of Birds is out now!; Steve's other best selling books on The Rise and...
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Books Referenced

The Rise and Fall of the Dinosaurs

Author: Steve Brusatte

Context:

Guest Steve Brusatte discussed this as his first book in a pop science trilogy, mentioning it was a New York Times bestseller and that he tells stories of going to China and seeing feathered dinosaur fossils in it.

The Rise and Reign of the Mammals

Author: Steve Brusatte

Context:

Guest Steve Brusatte mentioned this as his second book telling the story of mammals, noting he read a lot about human evolution and mammoth-human interactions while writing it.

The Story of Birds

Author: Steve Brusatte

Context:

Guest Steve Brusatte's newest book, released on the day of the podcast recording, covering bird evolution from dinosaur origins to the present, including chapters on modern bird intelligence and cognition research.

The Decline and Fall of the Human Empire

Author: Henry Gee

Context:

Brusatte mentioned this book by his friend Henry Gee, a senior editor at Nature, saying he read it before publication and it discusses how human populations could crash due to limited genetic diversity.